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		<title>By: Alek F</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2009/07/29/downtown-streetcar-meeting-today/comment-page-1/#comment-311291</link>
		<dc:creator>Alek F</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 19:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am truly excited about Streetcars implementation in Los Angeles!

This could be a &lt;strong&gt;major&lt;/strong&gt; transformation of the &quot;car-only&quot; city to the direction of a &quot;&lt;strong&gt;Transit-Friendly&lt;/strong&gt;&quot; city!
Frankly, LA is quite an ugly city since it was built (or rather, RE-built) for cars, meaning - no decent pedestrian environment, safe places to hangout, or mass transit. Sidewalks are out-of-shape, with countless homeless folks, unattractive buildings and dirty streets. And - yes, buses will never attract people from cars!
But...
Streetcars, especially in Downtown, could change all that! Because - in addition to other numerous reasons why streetcars are  always  better than buses - is that launching streetcars always involves improving Landscaping and major Sidewalk enhancement, which is crucial for pedestrian environment!
Way to go, LA Streetcar!
I am looking forward to today&#039;s meeting at the Bradbury!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am truly excited about Streetcars implementation in Los Angeles!</p>
<p>This could be a <strong>major</strong> transformation of the &#8220;car-only&#8221; city to the direction of a &#8220;<strong>Transit-Friendly</strong>&#8221; city!<br />
Frankly, LA is quite an ugly city since it was built (or rather, RE-built) for cars, meaning &#8211; no decent pedestrian environment, safe places to hangout, or mass transit. Sidewalks are out-of-shape, with countless homeless folks, unattractive buildings and dirty streets. And &#8211; yes, buses will never attract people from cars!<br />
But&#8230;<br />
Streetcars, especially in Downtown, could change all that! Because &#8211; in addition to other numerous reasons why streetcars are  always  better than buses &#8211; is that launching streetcars always involves improving Landscaping and major Sidewalk enhancement, which is crucial for pedestrian environment!<br />
Way to go, LA Streetcar!<br />
I am looking forward to today&#8217;s meeting at the Bradbury!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wentzel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Wentzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 17:30:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Streetcars,

Jarrett Walker posted a blog that got wide attention called &quot;Streetcars: An Inconvenient Truth&quot;  

www.humantransit.org/2009/07/streetcars-an-inconvenient-truth.html

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As a follow-up, I&#039;m throwing in Jarrett Walker&#039;s follow-up on this.  He discusses the difference between &quot;mobility&quot; and &quot;access&quot;.

www.humantransit.org/2009/07/what-i-meant-by-mobility-could-also-be-called-access.html

He references this interesting paper entitled &quot;Traffic, Mobility and Accessability&quot; by Todd Littman from the Victoria Transportation Policy Institute.

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Two paragraphs stand out for me:

- &quot;As usual with transport planning concepts, Todd Litman has a friendly, readable paper carefully defining the mobility/access distinction.  Mobility is how far you can go in a given time.  Access is how many useful or valuable things you can do.  If a new store opens up near your house, selling a particular product that you like, that doesn&#039;t improve your mobility but it does improve your access.  You can now get your product closer to home, so you don&#039;t need as much mobility as you did before.  Access is also improved by working at home, downloading music instead of going to a CD store, and moving in with your romantic partner.  In other words, a lot of the work of access is simply about eliminating the need for transportation.  Bravo.&quot;

- &quot;So my point remains:  If you replace a bus with a streetcar, and make no unrelated changes, the map above doesn&#039;t change at all.  Your mobility (the area you can reach in a fixed time) doesn&#039;t improve, but your access (the experiences, connections, transactions you can get to) doesn&#039;t improve either, UNLESS --  Unless the streetcar triggers redevelopment, so that solely because of the streetcar, new stuff gets built closer to you.  That is the only sense in which a streetcar project improves access.&quot;

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I still enthusiastically support the Streetcar Project on Broadway, but Jarret Walker&#039;s blog is a great new find for me.  Intelligent questions are asked and the comments are generally troll free and well-informed.

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thetransportpolitic.com/ 

I also like by Yonah Freemark.  It&#039;s a little more wonky.  The High Speed Rail discussion is interesting too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Streetcars,</p>
<p>Jarrett Walker posted a blog that got wide attention called &#8220;Streetcars: An Inconvenient Truth&#8221;  </p>
<p><a href="http://www.humantransit.org/2009/07/streetcars-an-inconvenient-truth.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.humantransit.org/2009/07/streetcars-an-inconvenient-truth.html</a></p>
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<p>As a follow-up, I&#8217;m throwing in Jarrett Walker&#8217;s follow-up on this.  He discusses the difference between &#8220;mobility&#8221; and &#8220;access&#8221;.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.humantransit.org/2009/07/what-i-meant-by-mobility-could-also-be-called-access.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.humantransit.org/2009/07/what-i-meant-by-mobility-could-also-be-called-access.html</a></p>
<p>He references this interesting paper entitled &#8220;Traffic, Mobility and Accessability&#8221; by Todd Littman from the Victoria Transportation Policy Institute.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8211;<br />
Two paragraphs stand out for me:</p>
<p>- &#8220;As usual with transport planning concepts, Todd Litman has a friendly, readable paper carefully defining the mobility/access distinction.  Mobility is how far you can go in a given time.  Access is how many useful or valuable things you can do.  If a new store opens up near your house, selling a particular product that you like, that doesn&#8217;t improve your mobility but it does improve your access.  You can now get your product closer to home, so you don&#8217;t need as much mobility as you did before.  Access is also improved by working at home, downloading music instead of going to a CD store, and moving in with your romantic partner.  In other words, a lot of the work of access is simply about eliminating the need for transportation.  Bravo.&#8221;</p>
<p>- &#8220;So my point remains:  If you replace a bus with a streetcar, and make no unrelated changes, the map above doesn&#8217;t change at all.  Your mobility (the area you can reach in a fixed time) doesn&#8217;t improve, but your access (the experiences, connections, transactions you can get to) doesn&#8217;t improve either, UNLESS &#8212;  Unless the streetcar triggers redevelopment, so that solely because of the streetcar, new stuff gets built closer to you.  That is the only sense in which a streetcar project improves access.&#8221;</p>
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<p>I still enthusiastically support the Streetcar Project on Broadway, but Jarret Walker&#8217;s blog is a great new find for me.  Intelligent questions are asked and the comments are generally troll free and well-informed.</p>
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<p>thetransportpolitic.com/ </p>
<p>I also like by Yonah Freemark.  It&#8217;s a little more wonky.  The High Speed Rail discussion is interesting too.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wentzel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Wentzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Jul 2009 16:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let a thousand streetcars bloom.

Streetcars do not necessarily move people any faster than buses, but they do attract riders who will not ride a bus.  Call that classist, even call it &quot;racist&quot;, but it doesn&#039;t make it any less true.  

Streetcar trams are a good development or redevelopment tool.  The future of Los Angeles will require several areas and transit corridors to densify and recentralize.  Downtown is a great place to bring trams back to Los Angeles.  

However, for mobility for not just downtown but the region as a whole we need the Regional Connector and that should ideally be fast tracked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let a thousand streetcars bloom.</p>
<p>Streetcars do not necessarily move people any faster than buses, but they do attract riders who will not ride a bus.  Call that classist, even call it &#8220;racist&#8221;, but it doesn&#8217;t make it any less true.  </p>
<p>Streetcar trams are a good development or redevelopment tool.  The future of Los Angeles will require several areas and transit corridors to densify and recentralize.  Downtown is a great place to bring trams back to Los Angeles.  </p>
<p>However, for mobility for not just downtown but the region as a whole we need the Regional Connector and that should ideally be fast tracked.</p>
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