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		<title>By: Streetsblog &#187; Measure R Highway Funds Ready to Roll. Transit Funds? Not So Much.</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/11/05/measure-r-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-310220</link>
		<dc:creator>Streetsblog &#187; Measure R Highway Funds Ready to Roll. Transit Funds? Not So Much.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 18:37:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Bus Bench notes that the &quot;usual suspects got bent over.&quot;&#160; Using numbers crunched at Metro Rider, Browne Molyneaux shows that voting for more transit doesn&#039;t equal getting more transit.&#160; The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Bus Bench notes that the &quot;usual suspects got bent over.&quot;&nbsp; Using numbers crunched at Metro Rider, Browne Molyneaux shows that voting for more transit doesn&#8217;t equal getting more transit.&nbsp; The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wentzel</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/11/05/measure-r-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-309989</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wentzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the L.A. Times Bottleneck Blog (which is folding into L.A. Now, so Metrorider is needed more than ever):



&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;strong&gt;The Los Angeles County registrar finished counting ballots on Friday, and here&#039;s the final line score for Measure R, the half-cent sales tax increase for transportation projects -- including the start of the Westside subway extension -- in Los Angeles County:

    Yes: 2,039,214 votes, 67.93%

    No: 962,569 votes, 32.07%

Measure R needed two-thirds votes to pass, meaning it won by a raw vote total of about 37,000 votes.  The county Board of Supervisors is scheduled to declare the results official at its meeting on Tuesday. &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;



Woo hoo!  With all the hurdles this had to overcome it truly makes me happy.  Los Angeles has voted for and invested in its future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the L.A. Times Bottleneck Blog (which is folding into L.A. Now, so Metrorider is needed more than ever):</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>The Los Angeles County registrar finished counting ballots on Friday, and here&#8217;s the final line score for Measure R, the half-cent sales tax increase for transportation projects &#8212; including the start of the Westside subway extension &#8212; in Los Angeles County:</p>
<p>    Yes: 2,039,214 votes, 67.93%</p>
<p>    No: 962,569 votes, 32.07%</p>
<p>Measure R needed two-thirds votes to pass, meaning it won by a raw vote total of about 37,000 votes.  The county Board of Supervisors is scheduled to declare the results official at its meeting on Tuesday. </strong></p></blockquote>
<p>Woo hoo!  With all the hurdles this had to overcome it truly makes me happy.  Los Angeles has voted for and invested in its future.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wentzel</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/11/05/measure-r-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-309941</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wentzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>R - MTA SALES TAX - 
YES  1,963,147     (67.65% )
NO  938,677          (32.35% )

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Keep smiling all Measure R supporters.  Friday&#039;s total makes it better and better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>R &#8211; MTA SALES TAX &#8211;<br />
YES  1,963,147     (67.65% )<br />
NO  938,677          (32.35% )</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>Keep smiling all Measure R supporters.  Friday&#8217;s total makes it better and better.</p>
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		<title>By: mrs-man</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/11/05/measure-r-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-309895</link>
		<dc:creator>mrs-man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 12:43:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For the Sepulveda Pass, bus service should mirror what was done on the Cahuenga Pass before the red-line:  One bus service that was local (between Universal City and Hollywood along Cauhuenga Bl E and W) and other services that were express (stayed along the 101).

In my view, the express line would travel non-stop from Ventura/Sepulveda to Sunset/Church via 405, then stop again at UCLA Ackerman Union, UCLA Med Ctr, Wilshire/Westwood, SM/Westwood, and Pico/Westwood.  Notice that it would be a different routing in the Westwood area, by avoiding the longer routing along Sunset and Hilgard and traveling instead along the west side of UCLA&#039;s campus.

The local line will travel from Ventura to Sunset via Sepulveda Blvd making stops at the Skirball, the Getty, and even local stops along Sepulveda that serve Bel Air Crest and Mountaingate.  It would serve the same routing as the express line between Sunset/Church and Pico/Westwood (and would also have limited stops south of Sunset)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For the Sepulveda Pass, bus service should mirror what was done on the Cahuenga Pass before the red-line:  One bus service that was local (between Universal City and Hollywood along Cauhuenga Bl E and W) and other services that were express (stayed along the 101).</p>
<p>In my view, the express line would travel non-stop from Ventura/Sepulveda to Sunset/Church via 405, then stop again at UCLA Ackerman Union, UCLA Med Ctr, Wilshire/Westwood, SM/Westwood, and Pico/Westwood.  Notice that it would be a different routing in the Westwood area, by avoiding the longer routing along Sunset and Hilgard and traveling instead along the west side of UCLA&#8217;s campus.</p>
<p>The local line will travel from Ventura to Sunset via Sepulveda Blvd making stops at the Skirball, the Getty, and even local stops along Sepulveda that serve Bel Air Crest and Mountaingate.  It would serve the same routing as the express line between Sunset/Church and Pico/Westwood (and would also have limited stops south of Sunset)</p>
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		<title>By: Dan Wentzel</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/11/05/measure-r-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-309870</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan Wentzel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:42:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This topic has been discussed thoroughly in the forum, but I&#039;d have a Rapid 961 with five stops only: (1) Expo Line (or Pico/Westwood until then); (2) Santa Monica Blvd./Westwood; (3) Wilshire/Westwood, (4) Ventura Blvd./Sepulveda. (5) Orange Line.  (A sixth stop could be added at Van Nuys Metrolink if service would support it.)  

I&#039;d eliminate the 761 and have another to be determined line can do local service at Skirball, the Getty and Church Lane.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This topic has been discussed thoroughly in the forum, but I&#8217;d have a Rapid 961 with five stops only: (1) Expo Line (or Pico/Westwood until then); (2) Santa Monica Blvd./Westwood; (3) Wilshire/Westwood, (4) Ventura Blvd./Sepulveda. (5) Orange Line.  (A sixth stop could be added at Van Nuys Metrolink if service would support it.)  </p>
<p>I&#8217;d eliminate the 761 and have another to be determined line can do local service at Skirball, the Getty and Church Lane.</p>
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		<title>By: bzcat</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/11/05/measure-r-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-309868</link>
		<dc:creator>bzcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dan, sounds like you are asking for some type of super-rapid. Maybe what we need is a &quot;961&quot; to supplement the 761.

961 could skip the local stops in the Valley and Church Ln in Brentwood and go straight to Westwood from Ventura Blvd</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dan, sounds like you are asking for some type of super-rapid. Maybe what we need is a &#8220;961&#8243; to supplement the 761.</p>
<p>961 could skip the local stops in the Valley and Church Ln in Brentwood and go straight to Westwood from Ventura Blvd</p>
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		<title>By: Dan W.</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/11/05/measure-r-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-309867</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 14:14:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That stop at Church Lane is a high transfer point because that&#039;s the end of the BBB14.  That route can be rather easily changed to link into a changed 761.

There probably does need to be a stop somewhere near Church Lane or the Getty and one up at Skirball.  

Whatever is done to increase the speed and &quot;rapid&quot; nature of the 761 will probably result in upsetting someone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That stop at Church Lane is a high transfer point because that&#8217;s the end of the BBB14.  That route can be rather easily changed to link into a changed 761.</p>
<p>There probably does need to be a stop somewhere near Church Lane or the Getty and one up at Skirball.  </p>
<p>Whatever is done to increase the speed and &#8220;rapid&#8221; nature of the 761 will probably result in upsetting someone.</p>
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		<title>By: davidagalvan</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/11/05/measure-r-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-309866</link>
		<dc:creator>davidagalvan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 05:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Oh, boy, I sure can. The 761 gets bogged down in providing local service in the back end of Brentwood and Westwood. Turn that service over to a reconsituted MTA21 or turn it over to the Big Blue Bus, and rapid times would improve. I’d also split the Van Nuys Blvd. portion of the 761 off and have two stops in the Valley only (Orange Line and Ventura Blvd.) If there was demand, there could be a stop a Van Nusy Metrolink as well.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I guess MTA will have to run the numbers on who makes up most of the ridership on the 761, but having ridden it for a few years now, I can tell you that, on the way north at ~6pm, there are a large number of people that board at Church Ln.  That&#039;s the only stop I could imagine you&#039;re referring to when you say the back end of Brentwood.  Most of those riders appear to be domestic help, if I may try my hand at profiling, and they clearly need to get from Brent/Westwood to the valley.  There is a huge offloading of passengers at Ventura/Sepulveda, and Ventura/Van Nuys so I&#039;d be all for an express service that starts at Van Nuys/Ventura, stops at Ventura/Sepulveda, and then doesn&#039;t stop again until UCLA. . . but there would need to be another option to meet the demand of the large number of people going from Church Lane north.

I dunno.  I guess I&#039;m saying that any of the options you or I suggest on how to improve the 761 will probably require an additional bus line anyway that goes between the valley and west side, and I&#039;m not sure that adding more buses on the same corridor will be all that helpful.  I guess we&#039;ll see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>
Oh, boy, I sure can. The 761 gets bogged down in providing local service in the back end of Brentwood and Westwood. Turn that service over to a reconsituted MTA21 or turn it over to the Big Blue Bus, and rapid times would improve. I’d also split the Van Nuys Blvd. portion of the 761 off and have two stops in the Valley only (Orange Line and Ventura Blvd.) If there was demand, there could be a stop a Van Nusy Metrolink as well.</p></blockquote>
<p>I guess MTA will have to run the numbers on who makes up most of the ridership on the 761, but having ridden it for a few years now, I can tell you that, on the way north at ~6pm, there are a large number of people that board at Church Ln.  That&#8217;s the only stop I could imagine you&#8217;re referring to when you say the back end of Brentwood.  Most of those riders appear to be domestic help, if I may try my hand at profiling, and they clearly need to get from Brent/Westwood to the valley.  There is a huge offloading of passengers at Ventura/Sepulveda, and Ventura/Van Nuys so I&#8217;d be all for an express service that starts at Van Nuys/Ventura, stops at Ventura/Sepulveda, and then doesn&#8217;t stop again until UCLA. . . but there would need to be another option to meet the demand of the large number of people going from Church Lane north.</p>
<p>I dunno.  I guess I&#8217;m saying that any of the options you or I suggest on how to improve the 761 will probably require an additional bus line anyway that goes between the valley and west side, and I&#8217;m not sure that adding more buses on the same corridor will be all that helpful.  I guess we&#8217;ll see.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan W.</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/11/05/measure-r-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-309865</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 01:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of 5:00 p.m. today, the new numbers for Measure R are as follows.

&lt;strong&gt;YES  1,806,657  67.23% 
NO  880,564  32.77% &lt;/strong&gt;

No lost ground.  Woo hoo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of 5:00 p.m. today, the new numbers for Measure R are as follows.</p>
<p><strong>YES  1,806,657  67.23%<br />
NO  880,564  32.77% </strong></p>
<p>No lost ground.  Woo hoo!</p>
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		<title>By: Dan W.</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/11/05/measure-r-by-the-numbers/comment-page-1/#comment-309863</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 19:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Dan you just went through exactly the same calculation and got the same trends and yet you object to my analysis?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, I don&#039;t &quot;object&quot; to your analysis.  Analyze away.  I just do not agree with your assumption that the &quot;likely&quot; ratio will be 60-40 or less.  The provisional ballots are going to be similar to the other election ballots which favor measure R more than the early absentee ballots.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess my point is that I can’t imagine an express bus system that does much better than the 761 already does.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Oh, boy, I sure can.  The 761 gets bogged down in providing local service in the back end of Brentwood and Westwood.  Turn that service over to a reconsituted MTA21 or turn it over to the Big Blue Bus, and rapid times would improve.  I&#039;d also split the Van Nuys Blvd. portion of the 761 off and have two stops in the Valley only (Orange Line and Ventura Blvd.)  If there was demand, there could be a stop a Van Nusy Metrolink as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Dan you just went through exactly the same calculation and got the same trends and yet you object to my analysis?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, I don&#8217;t &#8220;object&#8221; to your analysis.  Analyze away.  I just do not agree with your assumption that the &#8220;likely&#8221; ratio will be 60-40 or less.  The provisional ballots are going to be similar to the other election ballots which favor measure R more than the early absentee ballots.</p>
<blockquote><p>I guess my point is that I can’t imagine an express bus system that does much better than the 761 already does.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh, boy, I sure can.  The 761 gets bogged down in providing local service in the back end of Brentwood and Westwood.  Turn that service over to a reconsituted MTA21 or turn it over to the Big Blue Bus, and rapid times would improve.  I&#8217;d also split the Van Nuys Blvd. portion of the 761 off and have two stops in the Valley only (Orange Line and Ventura Blvd.)  If there was demand, there could be a stop a Van Nusy Metrolink as well.</p>
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