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		<title>By: Tony Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/03/27/think-blue-think-metro-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-298864</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Apr 2008 05:03:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would they crack down on shuttle buses?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would they crack down on shuttle buses?</p>
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		<title>By: calwatch</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/03/27/think-blue-think-metro-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-298406</link>
		<dc:creator>calwatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Apr 2008 05:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interestingly, the Feds are starting to crack down on charter service. They&#039;ve informed Foothill that they should not be providing the Hollywood Bowl bus service this year, and apparently that was the cause for the cancellation of the 175 to Marshall High, when for years MTA ran a special route &quot;2-4&quot; that made one trip a day to and from Marshall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interestingly, the Feds are starting to crack down on charter service. They&#8217;ve informed Foothill that they should not be providing the Hollywood Bowl bus service this year, and apparently that was the cause for the cancellation of the 175 to Marshall High, when for years MTA ran a special route &#8220;2-4&#8243; that made one trip a day to and from Marshall.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/03/27/think-blue-think-metro-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-297346</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:48:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m saying both. If we took out the parking and had transit access, then you can be assured that people would take transit. I&#039;m not saying to just remove parking and leave it at that. That would be absurd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m saying both. If we took out the parking and had transit access, then you can be assured that people would take transit. I&#8217;m not saying to just remove parking and leave it at that. That would be absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dawg</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/03/27/think-blue-think-metro-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-297345</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tony, you don&#039;t get it.  I would drop the Bowl if access were Dodger Stadium class.  There is lots of parking at the Bowl, expensive and inconvenient.  For 5 people POV it is much cheaper.  Still I wouldn&#039;t do it.  Transit is better and still it is criticized.  Make transit better and forget all the stuff about making POVs less better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tony, you don&#8217;t get it.  I would drop the Bowl if access were Dodger Stadium class.  There is lots of parking at the Bowl, expensive and inconvenient.  For 5 people POV it is much cheaper.  Still I wouldn&#8217;t do it.  Transit is better and still it is criticized.  Make transit better and forget all the stuff about making POVs less better.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/03/27/think-blue-think-metro-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-297341</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 02:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s because you cannot park at the Hollywood Bowl. What would the results be if there were virtually no parking at Dodger Stadium?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s because you cannot park at the Hollywood Bowl. What would the results be if there were virtually no parking at Dodger Stadium?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dawg</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/03/27/think-blue-think-metro-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-297333</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They are less car-centric when they take those shuttles to the Hollywood Bowl. Are you going to tell me that you will drive to the Hollywood Bowl and park there? Of course not, we want the same sort of thing for Dodger Stadium.&lt;/i&gt;

Tony, more a case of why two cultural events only a few miles apart cannot achieve similar results.  I&#039;m the resident despoiler of the planet here and yet I take transit some large multiple more than the typical SoCal denizen.  Is not the typical Dodger fan more typical than I?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They are less car-centric when they take those shuttles to the Hollywood Bowl. Are you going to tell me that you will drive to the Hollywood Bowl and park there? Of course not, we want the same sort of thing for Dodger Stadium.</i></p>
<p>Tony, more a case of why two cultural events only a few miles apart cannot achieve similar results.  I&#8217;m the resident despoiler of the planet here and yet I take transit some large multiple more than the typical SoCal denizen.  Is not the typical Dodger fan more typical than I?</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Fernandez</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/03/27/think-blue-think-metro-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-297328</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Fernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They are less car-centric when they take those shuttles to the Hollywood Bowl. Are you going to tell me that you will drive to the Hollywood Bowl and park there? Of course not, we want the same sort of thing for Dodger Stadium.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They are less car-centric when they take those shuttles to the Hollywood Bowl. Are you going to tell me that you will drive to the Hollywood Bowl and park there? Of course not, we want the same sort of thing for Dodger Stadium.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Dawg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Dawg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:31:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I believe the problem is as Tony said. As long as there is parking at the stadium, our carcentric population will insist on driving there.&lt;/i&gt;

Are you saying that somehow we and I mean we Hollywood Bowl patrons (same  seats  many decades) are somehow less car centric?   That flies in the face of reason, pricing structure, demographics and my extreme anecdote.   

I don&#039;t see why the Bowl would need to subsidize the 65x lines.  They are head and shoulders high and above the most profitable lines the LAMTA administers.  If anything the Bowl should be getting paid by the AQMD for the air pollution credit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I believe the problem is as Tony said. As long as there is parking at the stadium, our carcentric population will insist on driving there.</i></p>
<p>Are you saying that somehow we and I mean we Hollywood Bowl patrons (same  seats  many decades) are somehow less car centric?   That flies in the face of reason, pricing structure, demographics and my extreme anecdote.   </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see why the Bowl would need to subsidize the 65x lines.  They are head and shoulders high and above the most profitable lines the LAMTA administers.  If anything the Bowl should be getting paid by the AQMD for the air pollution credit.</p>
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		<title>By: Kymberleigh Richards</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/03/27/think-blue-think-metro-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-297176</link>
		<dc:creator>Kymberleigh Richards</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 00:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The solution is so simple I don’t understand why there’s hand wringing. I take the Chatsworth #653 to the Hollywood Bowl for $5. call it the #653H. Duplicate the entire Hollywood Bowl network, 668, 671, the whole 65x series I think and move them 6 miles south and east.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You are aware that the Hollywood Bowl services are subsidized by the Bowl itself, right?

Ask McCourt if he&#039;ll duplicate those subsidies.  Let us know what he says.

And, before you tell me Metro should be running service directly, read this staff report from 2006 prepared when Antonovich said the same thing:
&lt;a href=&quot;http://boardarchives.metro.net/Items/2006/08_August/20060816OPItem28.pdf&quot;&gt;http://boardarchives.metro.net/Items/2006/08_August/20060816OPItem28.pdf&lt;/a&gt;

I&#039;ll give you the best quotes here:
&lt;em&gt;Section 2.16 of the Metro Transit Service Policy defines the agency&#039;s role with regard to providing special event service. The policy is designed to prevent violations of the Federal charter bus regulations and states that such services should be provided only when the following conditions are met: it wil not interfere with our regular operation; the operation fits within the scope of regular Metro Bus operations (e.g. fares, span and routing); the service is provided on a full cost recovery basis, and there are no available or interested private operators.&lt;/em&gt;

and

&lt;em&gt;Seasonal service to Dodger Stadium with a premium fare existed from 1962 through 1994 via Line 635 between Downtown Los Angeles and Dodger Stadium. This service was discontinued in 1994 due to budgetary constraints and low ridership.&lt;/em&gt;

The report also goes on to say that the Dodgers themselves attempted such a service from Union Station, with LADOT-operated traffic control measures to make it run faster, in the 2004 season.  And they could not attract sufficient ridership to justify the cost.

I believe the problem is as Tony said.  As long as there is parking at the stadium, our carcentric population will insist on driving there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The solution is so simple I don’t understand why there’s hand wringing. I take the Chatsworth #653 to the Hollywood Bowl for $5. call it the #653H. Duplicate the entire Hollywood Bowl network, 668, 671, the whole 65x series I think and move them 6 miles south and east.</p></blockquote>
<p>You are aware that the Hollywood Bowl services are subsidized by the Bowl itself, right?</p>
<p>Ask McCourt if he&#8217;ll duplicate those subsidies.  Let us know what he says.</p>
<p>And, before you tell me Metro should be running service directly, read this staff report from 2006 prepared when Antonovich said the same thing:<br />
<a href="http://boardarchives.metro.net/Items/2006/08_August/20060816OPItem28.pdf">http://boardarchives.metro.net/Items/2006/08_August/20060816OPItem28.pdf</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;ll give you the best quotes here:<br />
<em>Section 2.16 of the Metro Transit Service Policy defines the agency&#8217;s role with regard to providing special event service. The policy is designed to prevent violations of the Federal charter bus regulations and states that such services should be provided only when the following conditions are met: it wil not interfere with our regular operation; the operation fits within the scope of regular Metro Bus operations (e.g. fares, span and routing); the service is provided on a full cost recovery basis, and there are no available or interested private operators.</em></p>
<p>and</p>
<p><em>Seasonal service to Dodger Stadium with a premium fare existed from 1962 through 1994 via Line 635 between Downtown Los Angeles and Dodger Stadium. This service was discontinued in 1994 due to budgetary constraints and low ridership.</em></p>
<p>The report also goes on to say that the Dodgers themselves attempted such a service from Union Station, with LADOT-operated traffic control measures to make it run faster, in the 2004 season.  And they could not attract sufficient ridership to justify the cost.</p>
<p>I believe the problem is as Tony said.  As long as there is parking at the stadium, our carcentric population will insist on driving there.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan W.</title>
		<link>http://metroriderla.com/2008/03/27/think-blue-think-metro-sort-of/comment-page-1/#comment-297055</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan W.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 04:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s exactly what I’m saying Dan. I don’t know where Rob is disagreeing with me.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I didn&#039;t think he was.  

Well, L.A. will get a rail line to the Dodgers about the same time we get a football team again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That’s exactly what I’m saying Dan. I don’t know where Rob is disagreeing with me.</p></blockquote>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think he was.  </p>
<p>Well, L.A. will get a rail line to the Dodgers about the same time we get a football team again.</p>
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